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(SD737@aol....) 28. 04:29 PM - Re: M701-500C Engines! (Ernest Martinez) 29. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: M701-500C Engines! (Bill) 30. 10:15 PM - Re: Re: M701-500C Engines! (Gary Cole) 31. 11:27 PM - Re: Re: fly-in (John Cabrera) 32. 11:54 PM - Re: M701-500C Engines! (John Cabrera) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:20 AM PST US From: Colyergreg@aol.... Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.... alright, just how many might be in for a AZ flyin? serious guys email me at _AVL29Delfin@aol.com_ (mailto:AVL29Delfin@aol....) so I can get a good count. There will be 5 or so from northern CA here. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:49 AM PST US From: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> Subject: Re: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> So we all agree to block out Steve Roberts. Don't worry about making the fly-in from the East coast Steve, I think several post ago we suggested that you try to NOT come to our fly-ins. Thanks for doing so, regardless of the excuse. L-39s are available for $125,000. I'll give $33,000 for your pork, it is the other white meat. Then you can get a super fast, high altitude, long range L-39. Or do as I have done, put a Viper in your L-29 and enjoy the ride. And out perform the L-39. Even your fuel flow will go down. Serious question, did you test fly it before you bought it? What were you expecting and which part of turbines & fuel flow didn't you grasp? That fact has never changed since the first turbines. So try to have a good time when at the fly-in yard with your buddies, (I assume you don't alienate everyone,) remember, a bad day at the airport is better than a good day at work. Bad markets are typical. Gas price up = ALL airplane prices go down. I read your first post, you definetly were whinning and bitching. I'm married with children, I definetly know what whinning and bitching sounds like. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..... MOVING ON.... Dear happy owners/pilots; We pretty much figure this is a West Coast fly-in. There are a few in the East that we can't afford to get to. We too want to fly and hang out. Of course we welcome everybody that graves those days when they can fly even if we can only afford a few times around the patch. We need to contact Carl Hayes, learn where we sleep, how many $$ for fuel. I will be happy to call him. Does anybody have his number? Who's really serious about the weekend of the 25th? (week before Easter) Show up Friday go home Sunday or when $$ runs out? (Friday afternoon!) Well, its a great snowy day in Colorado! Normal 25 kt. wind, Skiings good, I'm still vertical and breathing on my own. How bad can it be. Satrt saving for gas! 2's IN! ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:50 PM Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in > --> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" > <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > > Your .02?? > > Do you own an L-29? My guess is no. Have you actually flown in a L-29? > My > guess is no. > Do you have a L-29 type. My guess is no. Do you have anywhere near 1,000 > hours? My guess again is no and that's ok. I don't care one way or the > other so don't bother correcting me if I'm wrong, but I'm probably right > on > the mark "if I had to guess". > I enjoy my plane, but unfortunately it is a pig. It's a characteristic of > the L-29. (Marginal performance and fairly significant fuel burn) I've > watched the market on the L-29's and it has literally fallen out of the > sky > because of cheap ratty imports and of course expensive fuel. Some of the > guys are trying to sell their L-29s and they are stuck with let's say, "A > pig n a poke" LOL! > Calling the L-29 what it is "a pig" is not bitching or whining. Reality > is > reality. Now, with the JT or Viper conversion the plane is a good > performer, but with the M701 it's a pig. > The forum is just that.... a forum. Like it or hate it. > We all wish the plane had more than 1900# (give or take) of thrust and > that's indisputable. If you don't appreciate my comments then just read > past my posts. Simple as that. > Best regards my fellow "piglets" "Oink, Oink" > That's my .10 worth. > Have a great day/evening! > > >>From: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:03:36 -0500 >> >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> >> >>Do you think it is possible to Bitch any more about your 29. No one really >>cares how much you hate it and what a huge pig, slow POS you think it is. >>If >>you hate It so much DON'T fly it. Stop whining and go away. This site is >>for >>people who want to talk about there l29's share info and experiences Not >>cry >>about how much they hate them. Just my .02 >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:40 PM >>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in >> >> >> > --> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" >> > <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> >> > >> > Kingman AZ....? That's gonna be a pricey one for us guys on the East >> > Coast. It would be an expensive flight to get my pig out there. Oink, >> > Oink.... >> > Think I'll wait untill Oshkosh and go for the big show and bring a 4 >>sale >> > sign and see if I can find any suckers. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>From: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> >> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> >> >>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in >> >>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:53:15 -0600 >> >> >> >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> >> >> >> >>I'm in and maybe Marvin. >> >>Gary >> >>Houston >> >>Need a date ASAP so I can book a flight >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... >> >>[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Bill >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:14 PM >> >>To: l29-list@matr... >> >>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in >> >> >> >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> >> >> >> >>See if Carl will work on a fuel deal. >> >>I'm in for any weekend. >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: <SD737@aol....> >> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:44 AM >> >>Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in >> >> >> >> >> >> > --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... >> >> > >> >> > I have vacation last weekend in March and could make it down from >> >> > Reno. >> >> > I'm sure two other California 29's would make it also. >> >> > Like I said befor Carl and Jill Hays just moved their operation to >> >>Kingman >> >> > and they would be helpful if anyone needed tools/maintenance. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:49 AM PST US From: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> 1 from Southern Cal. and one from Colorado. But I will call the other Rocky Mountain owners. (2) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Colyergreg@aol....> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:38 AM Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in > --> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.... > > alright, just how many might be in for a AZ flyin? serious guys email > me > at _AVL29Delfin@aol.com_ (mailto:AVL29Delfin@aol....) so I can get a > good > count. There will be 5 or so from northern CA here. > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:58 AM PST US From: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> Subject: L29-List: facts --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> So right after lift off, fuel pressure starts fluctuating, what do you do? How does that work? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:00 AM PST US From: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...> Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...> Bill, can you enlighten us on the Viper engine, please? Like, how easy are they to find, costs, fuel burn, and best of all, how they make the -29 soar??? Thanks, David Bill wrote: > --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> > > So we all agree to block out Steve Roberts. > Don't worry about making the fly-in from the East coast Steve, I think > several post ago we suggested that you try to NOT come to our fly-ins. > Thanks for doing so, regardless of the excuse. L-39s are available for > $125,000. I'll give $33,000 for your pork, it is the other white meat. Then > you can get a super fast, high altitude, long range L-39. Or do as I have > done, put a Viper in your L-29 and enjoy the ride. And out perform the L-39. > Even your fuel flow will go down. > > Serious question, did you test fly it before you bought it? What were you > expecting and which part of turbines & fuel flow didn't you grasp? That fact > has never changed since the first turbines. So try to have a good time when > at the fly-in yard with your buddies, (I assume you don't alienate > everyone,) remember, a bad day at the airport is better than a good day at > work. > > Bad markets are typical. Gas price up = ALL airplane prices go down. > > I read your first post, you definetly were whinning and bitching. I'm > married with children, I definetly know what whinning and bitching sounds > like. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..... > > MOVING ON.... > > Dear happy owners/pilots; > > We pretty much figure this is a West Coast fly-in. There are a few in the > East that we can't afford to get to. We too want to fly and hang out. Of > course we welcome everybody that graves those days when they can fly even if > we can only afford a few times around the patch. > > We need to contact Carl Hayes, learn where we sleep, how many $$ for fuel. > I will be happy to call him. Does anybody have his number? > Who's really serious about the weekend of the 25th? (week before Easter) > Show up Friday go home Sunday or when $$ runs out? (Friday afternoon!) > > Well, its a great snowy day in Colorado! Normal 25 kt. wind, Skiings good, > I'm still vertical and breathing on my own. How bad can it be. Satrt saving > for gas! > > 2's IN! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > To: <l29-list@matr...> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in > > > >>--> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" >><eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> >> >>Your .02?? >> >>Do you own an L-29? My guess is no. Have you actually flown in a L-29? >>My >>guess is no. >>Do you have a L-29 type. My guess is no. Do you have anywhere near 1,000 >>hours? My guess again is no and that's ok. I don't care one way or the >>other so don't bother correcting me if I'm wrong, but I'm probably right >>on >>the mark "if I had to guess". >>I enjoy my plane, but unfortunately it is a pig. It's a characteristic of >>the L-29. (Marginal performance and fairly significant fuel burn) I've >>watched the market on the L-29's and it has literally fallen out of the >>sky >>because of cheap ratty imports and of course expensive fuel. Some of the >>guys are trying to sell their L-29s and they are stuck with let's say, "A >>pig n a poke" LOL! >>Calling the L-29 what it is "a pig" is not bitching or whining. Reality >>is >>reality. Now, with the JT or Viper conversion the plane is a good >>performer, but with the M701 it's a pig. >>The forum is just that.... a forum. Like it or hate it. >>We all wish the plane had more than 1900# (give or take) of thrust and >>that's indisputable. If you don't appreciate my comments then just read >>past my posts. Simple as that. >>Best regards my fellow "piglets" "Oink, Oink" >>That's my .10 worth. >>Have a great day/evening! >> >> >> >>>From: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> >>>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:03:36 -0500 >>> >>>--> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> >>> >>>Do you think it is possible to Bitch any more about your 29. No one really >>>cares how much you hate it and what a huge pig, slow POS you think it is. >>>If >>>you hate It so much DON'T fly it. Stop whining and go away. This site is >>>for >>>people who want to talk about there l29's share info and experiences Not >>>cry >>>about how much they hate them. Just my .02 >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> >>>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:40 PM >>>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>> >>> >>> >>>>--> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" >>>><eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> >>>> >>>>Kingman AZ....? That's gonna be a pricey one for us guys on the East >>>>Coast. It would be an expensive flight to get my pig out there. Oink, >>>>Oink.... >>>>Think I'll wait untill Oshkosh and go for the big show and bring a 4 >>> >>>sale >>> >>>>sign and see if I can find any suckers. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> >>>>>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>>>>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>>>>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:53:15 -0600 >>>>> >>>>>--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> >>>>> >>>>>I'm in and maybe Marvin. >>>>>Gary >>>>>Houston >>>>>Need a date ASAP so I can book a flight >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... >>>>>[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Bill >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:14 PM >>>>>To: l29-list@matr... >>>>>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>>>> >>>>>--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> >>>>> >>>>>See if Carl will work on a fuel deal. >>>>>I'm in for any weekend. >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: <SD737@aol....> >>>>>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:44 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... >>>>>> >>>>>>I have vacation last weekend in March and could make it down from >>>>>>Reno. >>>>>>I'm sure two other California 29's would make it also. >>>>>>Like I said befor Carl and Jill Hays just moved their operation to >>>>> >>>>>Kingman >>>>> >>>>>>and they would be helpful if anyone needed tools/maintenance. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:50 AM PST US From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.... Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol.... I'm just a lowly 100 hour pilot, still learning to land, LOL, but I can see the economics involved with these "pigs" Someone else stated they are pigs relative to other jet warbirds, but compare favorably in performance to piston warbirds. Now, using the P-51 as an example, take the $1 million dollar purchase price, 60+ gallons per hour of fuel burn, 1000 hour or less TBO on the powerplant, and expense involved with it's rebuild (guessing $75000). Compare that to the -29 price of $45,000, 160 gallons per hour, and replacement powerplants are how much? $8000 or so? Looks like the -29 is much more economical to me! Written from the viewpoint of a know nothing Cessna driver of course, so take my opinion with several grains of salt! Boyce ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:49 AM PST US From: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> Subject: RE: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> 2 In from Houston. We will have to come commercial so what airport will we need to book to? As I have 2 29s a C and R model this will be great. Blake is doing the Mig 21 training if any one wants an expensive log book entry. Any help I can give let me know. I talked with Bob S. in Ill. And maybe he will come. I am working on an owner that bases in Dallas area also. All the more will help with parts swaping,etc. Gary Ca6209@flas... -----Original Message----- From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Colyergreg@aol.... Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.... alright, just how many might be in for a AZ flyin? serious guys email me at _AVL29Delfin@aol.com_ (mailto:AVL29Delfin@aol....) so I can get a good count. There will be 5 or so from northern CA here. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:02 AM PST US From: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> You just keep proving what a joke you are. Wrong on all accts. Have one, N6235m, Fly it and love it. Go away. Have you not yet figured out no one wants you around here. ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:50 AM Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in > --> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" > <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > > Your .02?? > > Do you own an L-29? My guess is no. Have you actually flown in a L-29? > My > guess is no. > Do you have a L-29 type. My guess is no. Do you have anywhere near 1,000 > hours? My guess again is no and that's ok. I don't care one way or the > other so don't bother correcting me if I'm wrong, but I'm probably right > on > the mark "if I had to guess". > I enjoy my plane, but unfortunately it is a pig. It's a characteristic of > the L-29. (Marginal performance and fairly significant fuel burn) I've > watched the market on the L-29's and it has literally fallen out of the > sky > because of cheap ratty imports and of course expensive fuel. Some of the > guys are trying to sell their L-29s and they are stuck with let's say, "A > pig n a poke" LOL! > Calling the L-29 what it is "a pig" is not bitching or whining. Reality > is > reality. Now, with the JT or Viper conversion the plane is a good > performer, but with the M701 it's a pig. > The forum is just that.... a forum. Like it or hate it. > We all wish the plane had more than 1900# (give or take) of thrust and > that's indisputable. If you don't appreciate my comments then just read > past my posts. Simple as that. > Best regards my fellow "piglets" "Oink, Oink" > That's my .10 worth. > Have a great day/evening! > > >>From: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:03:36 -0500 >> >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> >> >>Do you think it is possible to Bitch any more about your 29. No one really >>cares how much you hate it and what a huge pig, slow POS you think it is. >>If >>you hate It so much DON'T fly it. Stop whining and go away. This site is >>for >>people who want to talk about there l29's share info and experiences Not >>cry >>about how much they hate them. Just my .02 >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:40 PM >>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in >> >> >> > --> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" >> > <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> >> > >> > Kingman AZ....? That's gonna be a pricey one for us guys on the East >> > Coast. It would be an expensive flight to get my pig out there. Oink, >> > Oink.... >> > Think I'll wait untill Oshkosh and go for the big show and bring a 4 >>sale >> > sign and see if I can find any suckers. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>From: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> >> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> >> >>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in >> >>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:53:15 -0600 >> >> >> >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> >> >> >> >>I'm in and maybe Marvin. >> >>Gary >> >>Houston >> >>Need a date ASAP so I can book a flight >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... >> >>[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Bill >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:14 PM >> >>To: l29-list@matr... >> >>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in >> >> >> >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> >> >> >> >>See if Carl will work on a fuel deal. >> >>I'm in for any weekend. >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: <SD737@aol....> >> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:44 AM >> >>Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in >> >> >> >> >> >> > --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... >> >> > >> >> > I have vacation last weekend in March and could make it down from >> >> > Reno. >> >> > I'm sure two other California 29's would make it also. >> >> > Like I said befor Carl and Jill Hays just moved their operation to >> >>Kingman >> >> > and they would be helpful if anyone needed tools/maintenance. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:26 AM PST US From: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> Brian, You hit the nail on the head. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Brian Colombo Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:21 AM Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> You just keep proving what a joke you are. Wrong on all accts. Have one, N6235m, Fly it and love it. Go away. Have you not yet figured out no one wants you around here. ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:50 AM Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in > --> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" > <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > > Your .02?? > > Do you own an L-29? My guess is no. Have you actually flown in a L-29? > My > guess is no. > Do you have a L-29 type. My guess is no. Do you have anywhere near 1,000 > hours? My guess again is no and that's ok. I don't care one way or the > other so don't bother correcting me if I'm wrong, but I'm probably right > on > the mark "if I had to guess". > I enjoy my plane, but unfortunately it is a pig. It's a characteristic of > the L-29. (Marginal performance and fairly significant fuel burn) I've > watched the market on the L-29's and it has literally fallen out of the > sky > because of cheap ratty imports and of course expensive fuel. Some of the > guys are trying to sell their L-29s and they are stuck with let's say, "A > pig n a poke" LOL! > Calling the L-29 what it is "a pig" is not bitching or whining. Reality > is > reality. Now, with the JT or Viper conversion the plane is a good > performer, but with the M701 it's a pig. > The forum is just that.... a forum. Like it or hate it. > We all wish the plane had more than 1900# (give or take) of thrust and > that's indisputable. If you don't appreciate my comments then just read > past my posts. Simple as that. > Best regards my fellow "piglets" "Oink, Oink" > That's my .10 worth. > Have a great day/evening! > > >>From: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:03:36 -0500 >> >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> >> >>Do you think it is possible to Bitch any more about your 29. No one really >>cares how much you hate it and what a huge pig, slow POS you think it is. >>If >>you hate It so much DON'T fly it. Stop whining and go away. This site is >>for >>people who want to talk about there l29's share info and experiences Not >>cry >>about how much they hate them. Just my .02 >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:40 PM >>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in >> >> >> > --> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" >> > <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> >> > >> > Kingman AZ....? That's gonna be a pricey one for us guys on the East >> > Coast. It would be an expensive flight to get my pig out there. Oink, >> > Oink.... >> > Think I'll wait untill Oshkosh and go for the big show and bring a 4 >>sale >> > sign and see if I can find any suckers. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>From: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> >> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> >> >>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in >> >>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:53:15 -0600 >> >> >> >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> >> >> >> >>I'm in and maybe Marvin. >> >>Gary >> >>Houston >> >>Need a date ASAP so I can book a flight >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... >> >>[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Bill >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:14 PM >> >>To: l29-list@matr... >> >>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in >> >> >> >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> >> >> >> >>See if Carl will work on a fuel deal. >> >>I'm in for any weekend. >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: <SD737@aol....> >> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:44 AM >> >>Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in >> >> >> >> >> >> > --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... >> >> > >> >> > I have vacation last weekend in March and could make it down from >> >> > Reno. >> >> > I'm sure two other California 29's would make it also. >> >> > Like I said befor Carl and Jill Hays just moved their operation to >> >>Kingman >> >> > and they would be helpful if anyone needed tools/maintenance. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:07 AM PST US From: SD737@aol.... Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... Hi Bill & Brien, I sorta like this guy and I think he has a pretty "real" view of the L-29. If it sits like a pig, walks like a pig and squeals like a pig, then it's a pig! But that's OK because it's an affordable pig to purchase and of course any jet engine is basically a furnace that burns a lot of gas, but what the hell, the general public has no idea that it's an oinker. I'm pretty much enjoying his pokes and jests. The guy has had me laughing my ass off. He sounds like he has personality and he obviously knows how to make a stinging point. The guy sounds like a lawyer or realtor type to me... He's calling a spade a spade, but isn't being a jerk about it. Nothing wrong with a viewpoint that is a bit different. In my line of work I've found that even the captain or first officer that pisses ya off can have an insight that is a bit different from yours and that insight turns out to be the one that keeps from bending the aircraft! I'll fly with him.... ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:53 AM PST US From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...> Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...> Guys, Dont respond to this idiot. He is what we call on the net a troll. He does a little research so he can converse, then goes on topic specific lists and trashes whatever the list members are into. By responding you are feeding into him. This is exactly the reaction he wants. His goal is to get a rise outof people. Just ignore him and he will go away. We had a similar idiot on another list. These are disturbed people more than likely kids who need attention. He doesnt have an airplane, probably isnt old enough to fly. But the worst thing you can do is respond to him. Ernie On 2/15/06, Brian Colombo <Bcolombo@twcn...> wrote: > --> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> > > You just keep proving what a joke you are. Wrong on all accts. Have one, > N6235m, Fly it and love it. Go away. Have you not yet figured out no one > wants you around here. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > To: <l29-list@matr...> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:50 AM > Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in > > > > --> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" > > <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > > > > Your .02?? > > > > Do you own an L-29? My guess is no. Have you actually flown in a L-29? > > My > > guess is no. > > Do you have a L-29 type. My guess is no. Do you have anywhere near 1,000 > > hours? My guess again is no and that's ok. I don't care one way or the > > other so don't bother correcting me if I'm wrong, but I'm probably right > > on > > the mark "if I had to guess". > > I enjoy my plane, but unfortunately it is a pig. It's a characteristic of > > the L-29. (Marginal performance and fairly significant fuel burn) I've > > watched the market on the L-29's and it has literally fallen out of the > > sky > > because of cheap ratty imports and of course expensive fuel. Some of the > > guys are trying to sell their L-29s and they are stuck with let's say, "A > > pig n a poke" LOL! > > Calling the L-29 what it is "a pig" is not bitching or whining. Reality > > is > > reality. Now, with the JT or Viper conversion the plane is a good > > performer, but with the M701 it's a pig. > > The forum is just that.... a forum. Like it or hate it. > > We all wish the plane had more than 1900# (give or take) of thrust and > > that's indisputable. If you don't appreciate my comments then just read > > past my posts. Simple as that. > > Best regards my fellow "piglets" "Oink, Oink" > > That's my .10 worth. > > Have a great day/evening! > > > > > >>From: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> > >>To: <l29-list@matr...> > >>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in > >>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:03:36 -0500 > >> > >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> > >> > >>Do you think it is possible to Bitch any more about your 29. No one really > >>cares how much you hate it and what a huge pig, slow POS you think it is. > >>If > >>you hate It so much DON'T fly it. Stop whining and go away. This site is > >>for > >>people who want to talk about there l29's share info and experiences Not > >>cry > >>about how much they hate them. Just my .02 > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > >>To: <l29-list@matr...> > >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:40 PM > >>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in > >> > >> > >> > --> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" > >> > <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > >> > > >> > Kingman AZ....? That's gonna be a pricey one for us guys on the East > >> > Coast. It would be an expensive flight to get my pig out there. Oink, > >> > Oink.... > >> > Think I'll wait untill Oshkosh and go for the big show and bring a 4 > >>sale > >> > sign and see if I can find any suckers. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >>From: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> > >> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> > >> >>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in > >> >>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:53:15 -0600 > >> >> > >> >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> > >> >> > >> >>I'm in and maybe Marvin. > >> >>Gary > >> >>Houston > >> >>Need a date ASAP so I can book a flight > >> >> > >> >>-----Original Message----- > >> >>From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... > >> >>[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Bill > >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:14 PM > >> >>To: l29-list@matr... > >> >>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in > >> >> > >> >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> > >> >> > >> >>See if Carl will work on a fuel deal. > >> >>I'm in for any weekend. > >> >> > >> >>----- Original Message ----- > >> >>From: <SD737@aol....> > >> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> > >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:44 AM > >> >>Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... > >> >> > > >> >> > I have vacation last weekend in March and could make it down from > >> >> > Reno. > >> >> > I'm sure two other California 29's would make it also. > >> >> > Like I said befor Carl and Jill Hays just moved their operation to > >> >>Kingman > >> >> > and they would be helpful if anyone needed tools/maintenance. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:17 AM PST US From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...> Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...> I screwed up. I didnt bother reading the heading, and only saw Brian's post, who used the wrong thread to blast the troll, who hasnt been around in a week. Ernie On 2/15/06, Gary Cole <ca6209@flas...> wrote: > --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> > > Brian, > You hit the nail on the head. > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... > [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Brian Colombo > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:21 AM > To: l29-list@matr... > Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in > > --> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> > > You just keep proving what a joke you are. Wrong on all accts. Have one, > N6235m, Fly it and love it. Go away. Have you not yet figured out no one > wants you around here. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > To: <l29-list@matr...> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:50 AM > Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in > > > > --> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" > > <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > > > > Your .02?? > > > > Do you own an L-29? My guess is no. Have you actually flown in a L-29? > > My > > guess is no. > > Do you have a L-29 type. My guess is no. Do you have anywhere near 1,000 > > hours? My guess again is no and that's ok. I don't care one way or the > > other so don't bother correcting me if I'm wrong, but I'm probably right > > on > > the mark "if I had to guess". > > I enjoy my plane, but unfortunately it is a pig. It's a characteristic of > > the L-29. (Marginal performance and fairly significant fuel burn) I've > > watched the market on the L-29's and it has literally fallen out of the > > sky > > because of cheap ratty imports and of course expensive fuel. Some of the > > guys are trying to sell their L-29s and they are stuck with let's say, "A > > pig n a poke" LOL! > > Calling the L-29 what it is "a pig" is not bitching or whining. Reality > > is > > reality. Now, with the JT or Viper conversion the plane is a good > > performer, but with the M701 it's a pig. > > The forum is just that.... a forum. Like it or hate it. > > We all wish the plane had more than 1900# (give or take) of thrust and > > that's indisputable. If you don't appreciate my comments then just read > > past my posts. Simple as that. > > Best regards my fellow "piglets" "Oink, Oink" > > That's my .10 worth. > > Have a great day/evening! > > > > > >>From: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> > >>To: <l29-list@matr...> > >>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in > >>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:03:36 -0500 > >> > >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> > >> > >>Do you think it is possible to Bitch any more about your 29. No one really > >>cares how much you hate it and what a huge pig, slow POS you think it is. > >>If > >>you hate It so much DON'T fly it. Stop whining and go away. This site is > >>for > >>people who want to talk about there l29's share info and experiences Not > >>cry > >>about how much they hate them. Just my .02 > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > >>To: <l29-list@matr...> > >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:40 PM > >>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in > >> > >> > >> > --> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" > >> > <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > >> > > >> > Kingman AZ....? That's gonna be a pricey one for us guys on the East > >> > Coast. It would be an expensive flight to get my pig out there. Oink, > >> > Oink.... > >> > Think I'll wait untill Oshkosh and go for the big show and bring a 4 > >>sale > >> > sign and see if I can find any suckers. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >>From: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> > >> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> > >> >>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in > >> >>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:53:15 -0600 > >> >> > >> >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> > >> >> > >> >>I'm in and maybe Marvin. > >> >>Gary > >> >>Houston > >> >>Need a date ASAP so I can book a flight > >> >> > >> >>-----Original Message----- > >> >>From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... > >> >>[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Bill > >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:14 PM > >> >>To: l29-list@matr... > >> >>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in > >> >> > >> >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> > >> >> > >> >>See if Carl will work on a fuel deal. > >> >>I'm in for any weekend. > >> >> > >> >>----- Original Message ----- > >> >>From: <SD737@aol....> > >> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> > >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:44 AM > >> >>Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... > >> >> > > >> >> > I have vacation last weekend in March and could make it down from > >> >> > Reno. > >> >> > I'm sure two other California 29's would make it also. > >> >> > Like I said befor Carl and Jill Hays just moved their operation to > >> >>Kingman > >> >> > and they would be helpful if anyone needed tools/maintenance. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:02 AM PST US From: colyergreg@aol.... Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: colyergreg@aol.... I love my L-29. It's warbird, it's a jet and will out perform most piston powered planes that cost 3 times as much and when you show up at your fly-in to eat your $600 burger, it's usually the only warbird jet on the ramp!!! call it what you will, it don't bother me a bit. You guys are all funny getting all upset about what some jerk off says, don't even respond to him. Now lets talk our kingman flyin. sounds like we are going to have a great time!! -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...> Sent: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:13:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...> I screwed up. I didnt bother reading the heading, and only saw Brian's post, who used the wrong thread to blast the troll, who hasnt been around in a week. Ernie On 2/15/06, Gary Cole <ca6209@flas...> wrote: > --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> > > Brian, > You hit the nail on the head. > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... > [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Brian Colombo > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:21 AM > To: l29-list@matr... > Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in > > --> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> > > You just keep proving what a joke you are. Wrong on all accts. Have one, > N6235m, Fly it and love it. Go away. Have you not yet figured out no one > wants you around here. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > To: <l29-list@matr...> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:50 AM > Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in > > > > --> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" > > <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > > > > Your .02?? > > > > Do you own an L-29? My guess is no. Have you actually flown in a L-29? > > My > > guess is no. > > Do you have a L-29 type. My guess is no. Do you have anywhere near 1,000 > > hours? My guess again is no and that's ok. I don't care one way or the > > other so don't bother correcting me if I'm wrong, but I'm probably right > > on > > the mark "if I had to guess". > > I enjoy my plane, but unfortunately it is a pig. It's a characteristic of > > the L-29. (Marginal performance and fairly significant fuel burn) I've > > watched the market on the L-29's and it has literally fallen out of the > > sky > > because of cheap ratty imports and of course expensive fuel. Some of the > > guys are trying to sell their L-29s and they are stuck with let's say, "A > > pig n a poke" LOL! > > Calling the L-29 what it is "a pig" is not bitching or whining. Reality > > is > > reality. Now, with the JT or Viper conversion the plane is a good > > performer, but with the M701 it's a pig. > > The forum is just that.... a forum. Like it or hate it. > > We all wish the plane had more than 1900# (give or take) of thrust and > > that's indisputable. If you don't appreciate my comments then just read > > past my posts. Simple as that. > > Best regards my fellow "piglets" "Oink, Oink" > > That's my .10 worth. > > Have a great day/evening! > > > > > >>From: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> > >>To: <l29-list@matr...> > >>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in > >>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:03:36 -0500 > >> > >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> > >> > >>Do you think it is possible to Bitch any more about your 29. No one really > >>cares how much you hate it and what a huge pig, slow POS you think it is. > >>If > >>you hate It so much DON'T fly it. Stop whining and go away. This site is > >>for > >>people who want to talk about there l29's share info and experiences Not > >>cry > >>about how much they hate them. Just my .02 > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > >>To: <l29-list@matr...> > >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:40 PM > >>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in > >> > >> > >> > --> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" > >> > <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > >> > > >> > Kingman AZ....? That's gonna be a pricey one for us guys on the East > >> > Coast. It would be an expensive flight to get my pig out there. Oink, > >> > Oink.... > >> > Think I'll wait untill Oshkosh and go for the big show and bring a 4 > >>sale > >> > sign and see if I can find any suckers. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >>From: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> > >> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> > >> >>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in > >> >>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:53:15 -0600 > >> >> > >> >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> > >> >> > >> >>I'm in and maybe Marvin. > >> >>Gary > >> >>Houston > >> >>Need a date ASAP so I can book a flight > >> >> > >> >>-----Original Message----- > >> >>From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... > >> >>[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Bill > >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:14 PM > >> >>To: l29-list@matr... > >> >>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in > >> >> > >> >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> > >> >> > >> >>See if Carl will work on a fuel deal. > >> >>I'm in for any weekend. > >> >> > >> >>----- Original Message ----- > >> >>From: <SD737@aol....> > >> >>To: <l29-list@matr...> > >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:44 AM > >> >>Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... > >> >> > > >> >> > I have vacation last weekend in March and could make it down from > >> >> > Reno. > >> >> > I'm sure two other California 29's would make it also. > >> >> > Like I said befor Carl and Jill Hays just moved their operation to > >> >>Kingman > >> >> > and they would be helpful if anyone needed tools/maintenance. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:17 AM PST US From: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> Scott, your right I should not be internet fighting with anyone, this is not fith grade. The only point i was making is WE ALL know what the l29 will and will not do. Like anything else If you dont like it Stay away, as I should have done instead of responding. I guess your right, I love to fly my jet and what others think of it will never change my fun factor. ----- Original Message ----- From: <SD737@aol....> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in > --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... > > Hi Bill & Brien, > > I sorta like this guy and I think he has a pretty "real" view of the L-29. > If it sits like a pig, walks like a pig and squeals like a pig, then it's a > pig! But that's OK because it's an affordable pig to purchase and of course > any jet engine is basically a furnace that burns a lot of gas, but what the > hell, the general public has no idea that it's an oinker. > I'm pretty much enjoying his pokes and jests. The guy has had me laughing > my ass off. He sounds like he has personality and he obviously knows how to > make a stinging point. The guy sounds like a lawyer or realtor type to me... > He's calling a spade a spade, but isn't being a jerk about it. Nothing > wrong with a viewpoint that is a bit different. > In my line of work I've found that even the captain or first officer that > pisses ya off can have an insight that is a bit different from yours and that > insight turns out to be the one that keeps from bending the aircraft! > I'll fly with him.... > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:40 AM PST US From: SD737@aol.... Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... Hmm the guy doesn't write like a troll or a kid. He's obviously educated and skilled in writing and I actually have been most entertained by his viewpoint. That's just me though. I always enjoy the rebel, maybe cause I'm in a profession that is so structured and uptight and quite often I fly with guys that are wound way too tight. Guess I'm the only one amused by him??? Besides he has brought the L-29 forum to life. Anyhow back to fly in stuff Here is the Kingman AZ info. I spoke with Jill and Carl and they said they would be glad to offer any help they can and they will be in town that weekend of March 25th. They are Yak-52 folks, but they have jacks and tools etc., that would be available. The only times to avoid are when they have a big rodeo or a bikers convention otherwise the hotels are very cheap. Cafe on the Airport of Kingman Hertz car rental on the field Travel Lodge close to the field 928-757-1188 Days Inn also 928-753-7500 Budget Silver Queen 928-757-4315 Best Western Kings Inn & Suites 928-753-6101 (nicer) They will get fuel details for me and I'll pass it on. Nice resort to drive to at night for dinner is Hualapai Mountain Resort 928-757-3545. Fly out for breakfast Seligman Airport (gotta check runway length) Grand Canyon Caverns Airport ----day trip to go to caverns (gotta check runway length) Kingman Army Airfield Museum- Norm Burge 928-757-1892 Also, of course good low level flying all over that area and the Colorado River. I could make that weekend with my Communist Pig! Scott ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:13 PM PST US From: Colyergreg@aol.... Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.... correction, Hey, everybody who is interested or plans on a Kingman AZ fly in the last weekend in march please email me at aeroL29driver.com with your name and N# and I will compile a list so I can direct email everybody with news about fuel and or organize a hotel that we can all stay at. Thanks Greg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:04 PM PST US From: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> 8000fpm, 24,000' ias 225, tas325 less than 95 gph. which means about 500 mile range. Finding takes a little but there out there. Buy mine. I take trades! ----- Original Message ----- From: "AI Nut" <ainut@hiwa...> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:16 AM Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in > --> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...> > > Bill, can you enlighten us on the Viper engine, please? Like, how easy > are they to find, costs, fuel burn, and best of all, how they make the > -29 soar??? > > Thanks, > David > > > Bill wrote: >> --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> >> >> So we all agree to block out Steve Roberts. >> Don't worry about making the fly-in from the East coast Steve, I think >> several post ago we suggested that you try to NOT come to our fly-ins. >> Thanks for doing so, regardless of the excuse. L-39s are available for >> $125,000. I'll give $33,000 for your pork, it is the other white meat. >> Then >> you can get a super fast, high altitude, long range L-39. Or do as I have >> done, put a Viper in your L-29 and enjoy the ride. And out perform the >> L-39. >> Even your fuel flow will go down. >> >> Serious question, did you test fly it before you bought it? What were you >> expecting and which part of turbines & fuel flow didn't you grasp? That >> fact >> has never changed since the first turbines. So try to have a good time >> when >> at the fly-in yard with your buddies, (I assume you don't alienate >> everyone,) remember, a bad day at the airport is better than a good day >> at >> work. >> >> Bad markets are typical. Gas price up = ALL airplane prices go down. >> >> I read your first post, you definetly were whinning and bitching. I'm >> married with children, I definetly know what whinning and bitching sounds >> like. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..... >> >> MOVING ON.... >> >> Dear happy owners/pilots; >> >> We pretty much figure this is a West Coast fly-in. There are a few in the >> East that we can't afford to get to. We too want to fly and hang out. Of >> course we welcome everybody that graves those days when they can fly even >> if >> we can only afford a few times around the patch. >> >> We need to contact Carl Hayes, learn where we sleep, how many $$ for >> fuel. >> I will be happy to call him. Does anybody have his number? >> Who's really serious about the weekend of the 25th? (week before Easter) >> Show up Friday go home Sunday or when $$ runs out? (Friday afternoon!) >> >> Well, its a great snowy day in Colorado! Normal 25 kt. wind, Skiings >> good, >> I'm still vertical and breathing on my own. How bad can it be. Satrt >> saving >> for gas! >> >> 2's IN! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> >> To: <l29-list@matr...> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:50 PM >> Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in >> >> >> >>>--> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" >>><eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> >>> >>>Your .02?? >>> >>>Do you own an L-29? My guess is no. Have you actually flown in a L-29? >>>My >>>guess is no. >>>Do you have a L-29 type. My guess is no. Do you have anywhere near 1,000 >>>hours? My guess again is no and that's ok. I don't care one way or the >>>other so don't bother correcting me if I'm wrong, but I'm probably right >>>on >>>the mark "if I had to guess". >>>I enjoy my plane, but unfortunately it is a pig. It's a characteristic >>>of >>>the L-29. (Marginal performance and fairly significant fuel burn) I've >>>watched the market on the L-29's and it has literally fallen out of the >>>sky >>>because of cheap ratty imports and of course expensive fuel. Some of the >>>guys are trying to sell their L-29s and they are stuck with let's say, "A >>>pig n a poke" LOL! >>>Calling the L-29 what it is "a pig" is not bitching or whining. Reality >>>is >>>reality. Now, with the JT or Viper conversion the plane is a good >>>performer, but with the M701 it's a pig. >>>The forum is just that.... a forum. Like it or hate it. >>>We all wish the plane had more than 1900# (give or take) of thrust and >>>that's indisputable. If you don't appreciate my comments then just read >>>past my posts. Simple as that. >>>Best regards my fellow "piglets" "Oink, Oink" >>>That's my .10 worth. >>>Have a great day/evening! >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> >>>>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>>>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>>>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:03:36 -0500 >>>> >>>>--> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> >>>> >>>>Do you think it is possible to Bitch any more about your 29. No one >>>>really >>>>cares how much you hate it and what a huge pig, slow POS you think it >>>>is. >>>>If >>>>you hate It so much DON'T fly it. Stop whining and go away. This site is >>>>for >>>>people who want to talk about there l29's share info and experiences Not >>>>cry >>>>about how much they hate them. Just my .02 >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> >>>>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:40 PM >>>>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>--> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" >>>>><eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> >>>>> >>>>>Kingman AZ....? That's gonna be a pricey one for us guys on the East >>>>>Coast. It would be an expensive flight to get my pig out there. Oink, >>>>>Oink.... >>>>>Think I'll wait untill Oshkosh and go for the big show and bring a 4 >>>> >>>>sale >>>> >>>>>sign and see if I can find any suckers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>From: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> >>>>>>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>>>>>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>>>>>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:53:15 -0600 >>>>>> >>>>>>--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm in and maybe Marvin. >>>>>>Gary >>>>>>Houston >>>>>>Need a date ASAP so I can book a flight >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... >>>>>>[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Bill >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:14 PM >>>>>>To: l29-list@matr... >>>>>>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>>>>> >>>>>>--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> >>>>>> >>>>>>See if Carl will work on a fuel deal. >>>>>>I'm in for any weekend. >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: <SD737@aol....> >>>>>>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:44 AM >>>>>>Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have vacation last weekend in March and could make it down from >>>>>>>Reno. >>>>>>>I'm sure two other California 29's would make it also. >>>>>>>Like I said befor Carl and Jill Hays just moved their operation to >>>>>> >>>>>>Kingman >>>>>> >>>>>>>and they would be helpful if anyone needed tools/maintenance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:11 PM PST US From: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> Very wise grasshopper. You should come to our fly-in. ----- Original Message ----- From: <RAMPEYBOY@aol....> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in > --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol.... > > I'm just a lowly 100 hour pilot, still learning to land, LOL, but I can > see > the economics involved with these "pigs" Someone else stated they are pigs > relative to other jet warbirds, but compare favorably in performance to > piston > warbirds. Now, using the P-51 as an example, take the $1 million dollar > purchase price, 60+ gallons per hour of fuel burn, 1000 hour or less TBO > on the > powerplant, and expense involved with it's rebuild (guessing $75000). > Compare > that to the -29 price of $45,000, 160 gallons per hour, and replacement > powerplants are how much? $8000 or so? Looks like the -29 is much more > economical > to me! Written from the viewpoint of a know nothing Cessna driver of > course, > so take my opinion with several grains of salt! > Boyce > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:49 PM PST US From: Colyergreg@aol.... Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.... Bill, Greg here from the list.. what model viper do you have in your L-29. I found a 0 time factory overhauled Rolls Royce Viper 522 I can pick up for $34 K. How hard is the mod to install it? Thanks Greg ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:05 PM PST US From: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...> Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...> "Communist Pig!" <--- That is hilarious! I like it. David M. SD737@aol.... wrote: > --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... > > > Hmm the guy doesn't write like a troll or a kid. He's obviously educated > and skilled in writing and I actually have been most entertained by his <<<snip>>> > Also, of course good low level flying all over that area and the Colorado > River. > > I could make that weekend with my Communist Pig! > > Scott ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:30 PM PST US From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb...> Subject: RE: L29-List: facts --> L29-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb...> No replies yet? Let me have a go... Would put isolation valve on. Assuming rpm still @ 100% and having just rotated, would initially keep power wide open but monitor rpm and fuel pressure. Isolation valve ON bypasses the automatic acceleration and fuel metering, giving direct control of fuel flow. If steady would declare and land asap, being very careful and slow with power adjustments. Jorgen -----Original Message----- From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: 15 February 2006 04:15 PM Subject: L29-List: facts --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> So right after lift off, fuel pressure starts fluctuating, what do you do? How does that work? ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:41 PM PST US From: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...> Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...> Also, Bill, could you give us details about your Viper engine conversion? The 'Net says the Viper has been in production for over 50 years, albeit with many upgrades over time. David M. Bill wrote: > --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> > > So we all agree to block out Steve Roberts. > Don't worry about making the fly-in from the East coast Steve, I think > several post ago we suggested that you try to NOT come to our fly-ins. > Thanks for doing so, regardless of the excuse. L-39s are available for > $125,000. I'll give $33,000 for your pork, it is the other white meat. Then > you can get a super fast, high altitude, long range L-39. Or do as I have > done, put a Viper in your L-29 and enjoy the ride. And out perform the L-39. > Even your fuel flow will go down. > > Serious question, did you test fly it before you bought it? What were you > expecting and which part of turbines & fuel flow didn't you grasp? That fact > has never changed since the first turbines. So try to have a good time when > at the fly-in yard with your buddies, (I assume you don't alienate > everyone,) remember, a bad day at the airport is better than a good day at > work. > > Bad markets are typical. Gas price up = ALL airplane prices go down. > > I read your first post, you definetly were whinning and bitching. I'm > married with children, I definetly know what whinning and bitching sounds > like. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..... > > MOVING ON.... > > Dear happy owners/pilots; > > We pretty much figure this is a West Coast fly-in. There are a few in the > East that we can't afford to get to. We too want to fly and hang out. Of > course we welcome everybody that graves those days when they can fly even if > we can only afford a few times around the patch. > > We need to contact Carl Hayes, learn where we sleep, how many $$ for fuel. > I will be happy to call him. Does anybody have his number? > Who's really serious about the weekend of the 25th? (week before Easter) > Show up Friday go home Sunday or when $$ runs out? (Friday afternoon!) > > Well, its a great snowy day in Colorado! Normal 25 kt. wind, Skiings good, > I'm still vertical and breathing on my own. How bad can it be. Satrt saving > for gas! > > 2's IN! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> > To: <l29-list@matr...> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in > > > >>--> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" >><eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> >> >>Your .02?? >> >>Do you own an L-29? My guess is no. Have you actually flown in a L-29? >>My >>guess is no. >>Do you have a L-29 type. My guess is no. Do you have anywhere near 1,000 >>hours? My guess again is no and that's ok. I don't care one way or the >>other so don't bother correcting me if I'm wrong, but I'm probably right >>on >>the mark "if I had to guess". >>I enjoy my plane, but unfortunately it is a pig. It's a characteristic of >>the L-29. (Marginal performance and fairly significant fuel burn) I've >>watched the market on the L-29's and it has literally fallen out of the >>sky >>because of cheap ratty imports and of course expensive fuel. Some of the >>guys are trying to sell their L-29s and they are stuck with let's say, "A >>pig n a poke" LOL! >>Calling the L-29 what it is "a pig" is not bitching or whining. Reality >>is >>reality. Now, with the JT or Viper conversion the plane is a good >>performer, but with the M701 it's a pig. >>The forum is just that.... a forum. Like it or hate it. >>We all wish the plane had more than 1900# (give or take) of thrust and >>that's indisputable. If you don't appreciate my comments then just read >>past my posts. Simple as that. >>Best regards my fellow "piglets" "Oink, Oink" >>That's my .10 worth. >>Have a great day/evening! >> >> >> >>>From: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> >>>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:03:36 -0500 >>> >>>--> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...> >>> >>>Do you think it is possible to Bitch any more about your 29. No one really >>>cares how much you hate it and what a huge pig, slow POS you think it is. >>>If >>>you hate It so much DON'T fly it. Stop whining and go away. This site is >>>for >>>people who want to talk about there l29's share info and experiences Not >>>cry >>>about how much they hate them. Just my .02 >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> >>>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:40 PM >>>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>> >>> >>> >>>>--> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" >>>><eastcoastflyer29@hotm...> >>>> >>>>Kingman AZ....? That's gonna be a pricey one for us guys on the East >>>>Coast. It would be an expensive flight to get my pig out there. Oink, >>>>Oink.... >>>>Think I'll wait untill Oshkosh and go for the big show and bring a 4 >>> >>>sale >>> >>>>sign and see if I can find any suckers. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> >>>>>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>>>>Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>>>>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:53:15 -0600 >>>>> >>>>>--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> >>>>> >>>>>I'm in and maybe Marvin. >>>>>Gary >>>>>Houston >>>>>Need a date ASAP so I can book a flight >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... >>>>>[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Bill >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:14 PM >>>>>To: l29-list@matr... >>>>>Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>>>> >>>>>--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> >>>>> >>>>>See if Carl will work on a fuel deal. >>>>>I'm in for any weekend. >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: <SD737@aol....> >>>>>To: <l29-list@matr...> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:44 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... >>>>>> >>>>>>I have vacation last weekend in March and could make it down from >>>>>>Reno. >>>>>>I'm sure two other California 29's would make it also. >>>>>>Like I said befor Carl and Jill Hays just moved their operation to >>>>> >>>>>Kingman >>>>> >>>>>>and they would be helpful if anyone needed tools/maintenance. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:49 PM PST US From: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> Roger. We're showing up Friday afternoon. 2 guys called and asked if we could work on their FAST wing patch. So if anyone else wants to do a FAST thing, let me know. Bill ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:46 PM PST US From: Colyergreg@aol.... Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.... Bill, Scott, Pete and myself want to do ours. I have been studying the manual. (red Star one) \ Greg ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:15 PM PST US From: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> Subject: Re: RE: L29-List: facts --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> Good answer. If the engine was max for takeoff, it will go off scale hot and fast when you turn on the Iso. switch. But at 100' altitude, that is the least of your worries. At 10,000', then of course its a different story. I'm planning a trip to South Africa, isn't that where you are?(airplane shopping) Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb...> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: RE: L29-List: facts > --> L29-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" > <jorgen.nielsen@mweb...> > > No replies yet? Let me have a go... > > Would put isolation valve on. Assuming rpm still @ 100% and having just > rotated, would initially keep power wide open but monitor rpm and fuel > pressure. > > Isolation valve ON bypasses the automatic acceleration and fuel metering, > giving direct control of fuel flow. If steady would declare and land > asap, > being very careful and slow with power adjustments. > > Jorgen > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... > [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Bill > Sent: 15 February 2006 04:15 PM > To: l29-list@matr... > Subject: L29-List: facts > > --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> > > So right after lift off, fuel pressure starts fluctuating, what do you do? > How does that work? > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:15 PM PST US From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb...> Subject: RE: RE: L29-List: facts --> L29-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb...> Yep, Pretoria, South Africa. What you after? With our slightly stronger currency and weaker dollar most are going the other way... -----Original Message----- From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: 15 February 2006 11:23 PM Subject: Re: RE: L29-List: facts --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> Good answer. If the engine was max for takeoff, it will go off scale hot and fast when you turn on the Iso. switch. But at 100' altitude, that is the least of your worries. At 10,000', then of course its a different story. I'm planning a trip to South Africa, isn't that where you are?(airplane shopping) Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb...> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: RE: L29-List: facts > --> L29-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" > <jorgen.nielsen@mweb...> > > No replies yet? Let me have a go... > > Would put isolation valve on. Assuming rpm still @ 100% and having just > rotated, would initially keep power wide open but monitor rpm and fuel > pressure. > > Isolation valve ON bypasses the automatic acceleration and fuel metering, > giving direct control of fuel flow. If steady would declare and land > asap, > being very careful and slow with power adjustments. > > Jorgen > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... > [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Bill > Sent: 15 February 2006 04:15 PM > To: l29-list@matr... > Subject: L29-List: facts > > --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> > > So right after lift off, fuel pressure starts fluctuating, what do you do? > How does that work? > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:12 PM PST US From: SD737@aol.... Subject: L29-List: M701-500C Engines! --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... HI Guys, Started with 11 Factory Overhauled Zero Time M701-500 engines and have 2 left to sell. Come with Original Log Books and a tail pipe. One of the Texas guys was flying his L-29 recently and his compressor got hit with some type of unknown FOD He sent me pictures and the compressor wheel was shredded which makes the engine basically worthless as a powerplant in the aircraft. He is coming to Reno to buy a replacement engine TODAY, February 15th. These planes are basically big static display paper weights without a good engine. Hell, it won't even "squeal like a pig" and make noise without an engine. One day your engine is great, the next day you get a small piece of FOD and the engine is garbage. I have a spare for my plane. If anyone is interested I have 2 engines left to sell. I will either put them on Ebay or sell them to a guy who uses them for non L-29 purposes. Years of manufacture range from in the 1970's to the newest in 1983 and were overhauled in 1990-1992. They are in the fiberglass storage pods sealed up in plastic with desiccant moisture absorbing bags. Selling them for $3,500 less than the same engines available in the "northern Mid West". Last chance! ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:09 PM PST US From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...> Subject: Re: L29-List: M701-500C Engines! --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...> COntact me off list Ernie On 2/15/06, SD737@aol.... <SD737@aol....> wrote: > --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... > > > HI Guys, > > Started with 11 Factory Overhauled Zero Time M701-500 engines and have 2 > left to sell. > Come with Original Log Books and a tail pipe. > > One of the Texas guys was flying his L-29 recently and his compressor got > hit with some type of unknown FOD > He sent me pictures and the compressor wheel was shredded which makes the > engine basically worthless as a powerplant in the aircraft. > He is coming to Reno to buy a replacement engine TODAY, February 15th. > These planes are basically big static display paper weights without a good > engine. Hell, it won't even "squeal like a pig" and make noise without an > engine. > > One day your engine is great, the next day you get a small piece of FOD and > the engine is garbage. I have a spare for my plane. > > If anyone is interested I have 2 engines left to sell. I will either put > them on Ebay or sell them to a guy who uses them for non L-29 purposes. Years of > manufacture range from in the 1970's to the newest in 1983 and were > overhauled in 1990-1992. They are in the fiberglass storage pods sealed up in > plastic with desiccant moisture absorbing bags. > > Selling them for $3,500 less than the same engines available in the > "northern Mid West". > > Last chance! > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:20 PM PST US From: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: M701-500C Engines! --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> No secrets! We're all family. Make sure you buy one for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmai...> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:28 PM Subject: Re: L29-List: M701-500C Engines! > --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...> > > COntact me off list > > Ernie > > On 2/15/06, SD737@aol.... <SD737@aol....> wrote: >> --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... >> >> >> >> HI Guys, >> >> Started with 11 Factory Overhauled Zero Time M701-500 engines and have 2 >> left to sell. >> Come with Original Log Books and a tail pipe. >> >> One of the Texas guys was flying his L-29 recently and his compressor got >> hit with some type of unknown FOD >> He sent me pictures and the compressor wheel was shredded which makes the >> engine basically worthless as a powerplant in the aircraft. >> He is coming to Reno to buy a replacement engine TODAY, February 15th. >> These planes are basically big static display paper weights without a >> good >> engine. Hell, it won't even "squeal like a pig" and make noise without >> an >> engine. >> >> One day your engine is great, the next day you get a small piece of FOD >> and >> the engine is garbage. I have a spare for my plane. >> >> If anyone is interested I have 2 engines left to sell. I will either put >> them on Ebay or sell them to a guy who uses them for non L-29 purposes. >> Years of >> manufacture range from in the 1970's to the newest in 1983 and were >> overhauled in 1990-1992. They are in the fiberglass storage pods sealed >> up in >> plastic with desiccant moisture absorbing bags. >> >> Selling them for $3,500 less than the same engines available in the >> "northern Mid West". >> >> Last chance! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:05 PM PST US From: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: M701-500C Engines! --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...> Scott, Since I sent Marvin to you don't I receive a free engine. Gary Now you only have one for Ernie -----Original Message----- From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:54 PM Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: M701-500C Engines! --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> No secrets! We're all family. Make sure you buy one for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmai...> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:28 PM Subject: Re: L29-List: M701-500C Engines! > --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...> > > COntact me off list > > Ernie > > On 2/15/06, SD737@aol.... <SD737@aol....> wrote: >> --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... >> >> >> >> HI Guys, >> >> Started with 11 Factory Overhauled Zero Time M701-500 engines and have 2 >> left to sell. >> Come with Original Log Books and a tail pipe. >> >> One of the Texas guys was flying his L-29 recently and his compressor got >> hit with some type of unknown FOD >> He sent me pictures and the compressor wheel was shredded which makes the >> engine basically worthless as a powerplant in the aircraft. >> He is coming to Reno to buy a replacement engine TODAY, February 15th. >> These planes are basically big static display paper weights without a >> good >> engine. Hell, it won't even "squeal like a pig" and make noise without >> an >> engine. >> >> One day your engine is great, the next day you get a small piece of FOD >> and >> the engine is garbage. I have a spare for my plane. >> >> If anyone is interested I have 2 engines left to sell. I will either put >> them on Ebay or sell them to a guy who uses them for non L-29 purposes. >> Years of >> manufacture range from in the 1970's to the newest in 1983 and were >> overhauled in 1990-1992. They are in the fiberglass storage pods sealed >> up in >> plastic with desiccant moisture absorbing bags. >> >> Selling them for $3,500 less than the same engines available in the >> "northern Mid West". >> >> Last chance! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:02 PM PST US From: "John Cabrera" <propblast@eart...> Subject: RE: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: "John Cabrera" <propblast@eart...> I am in for that week end too.... -----Original Message----- From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:45 PM Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kell...> Are we talking the weekend of March 25? March 31/April 1 is Easter. We need to hear from everyone that IS coming. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Colyergreg@aol....> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in > --> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.... > > I am in for the last weekend in march with SD737....you in Pete? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:57 PM PST US From: "John Cabrera" <propblast@eart...> Subject: RE: L29-List: M701-500C Engines! --> L29-List message posted by: "John Cabrera" <propblast@eart...> How much are you asking? John Cabrera -----Original Message----- From: owner-l29-list-server@matr... [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of SD737@aol.... Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:58 PM Subject: L29-List: M701-500C Engines! --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.... HI Guys, Started with 11 Factory Overhauled Zero Time M701-500 engines and have 2 left to sell. Come with Original Log Books and a tail pipe. One of the Texas guys was flying his L-29 recently and his compressor got hit with some type of unknown FOD He sent me pictures and the compressor wheel was shredded which makes the engine basically worthless as a powerplant in the aircraft. He is coming to Reno to buy a replacement engine TODAY, February 15th. These planes are basically big static display paper weights without a good engine. Hell, it won't even "squeal like a pig" and make noise without an engine. One day your engine is great, the next day you get a small piece of FOD and the engine is garbage. I have a spare for my plane. If anyone is interested I have 2 engines left to sell. I will either put them on Ebay or sell them to a guy who uses them for non L-29 purposes. Years of manufacture range from in the 1970's to the newest in 1983 and were overhauled in 1990-1992. They are in the fiberglass storage pods sealed up in plastic with desiccant moisture absorbing bags. 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